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  <title>Episode 135: On 'The Secret Life of Puppets,' with Victoria Nelson</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Independent scholar and novelist Victoria Nelson joins JF and Phil to discuss her masterpiece of weird studies, The Secret Life of Puppets.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Victoria Nelson saw it first: Popular culture teems with occult ideas, vestiges of bygone belief, fragments of ancient magic disguised as common entertainment. Her 2001 work &lt;em&gt;The Secret Life of Puppets&lt;/em&gt; is in many ways the ur-text of weird studies, so prescient and probing it is even more relevant now than it was when it first appeared. In episode &lt;a href="https://www.weirdstudies.com/128" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;128&lt;/a&gt;, Phil and JF discussed Nelson's wonderful first novel &lt;em&gt;Neighbor George&lt;/em&gt; (2021). In this episode, Nelson joins the hosts of Weird Studies to talk about the vision that drove her to write &lt;em&gt;Secret Life&lt;/em&gt; along with its equally insightful follow-up, &lt;em&gt;Gothicka&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Listen to &lt;a href="https://pierre-yvesmartel.bandcamp.com/album/weird-studies-music-from-the-podcast-vol-1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;volume 1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://pierre-yvesmartel.bandcamp.com/album/weird-studies-music-from-the-podcast-vol-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;volume 2&lt;/a&gt; of the Weird Studies soundtrack by &lt;a href="https://www.pymartel.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Pierre-Yves Martel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Support us on &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/weirdstudies" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;
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Get your Weird Studies &lt;a href="https://www.redbubble.com/people/Weird-Studies/shop?asc=u" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;merchandise&lt;/a&gt; (t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.) &lt;br&gt;
Visit the Weird Studies &lt;a href="https://bookshop.org/shop/weirdstudies" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Bookshop&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;SHOW NOTES&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Victoria Nelson, &lt;em&gt;The Secret Life of Puppets&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Gothicka&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Neighbor George&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;M. R. James, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Collected_Ghost_Stories_of_M._R._James" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Collected Ghost Stories&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Tzvetan Todorov, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9780801491467/the-fantastic/#bookTabs=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Fantastic: A Structural Approach to a Literary Genre&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Sigmund Freud, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_and_Its_Discontents" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Civilization and its Discontents&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Carol Clover, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Men-Women-Chainsaws-Gender-Modern/dp/0851704190" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Men, Women, and Chainsaws: Gender in the Modern Horror Film&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;br&gt;
Bruno Schulz, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_of_Crocodiles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Street of Crocodiles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Stephenie Meyer, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://stepheniemeyer.com/the-twilight-saga/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twilight&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; series&lt;br&gt;
William P. Young, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shack-Where-Tragedy-Confronts-Eternity/dp/0964729237" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Shack: Where Tragedy Confronts Eternity&lt;/a&gt; _&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://connerhabib.com/against-everyone/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Against Everyone with Conner Habib&lt;/a&gt;, episodes &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/74118938?pr=true" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;202&lt;/a&gt; &amp;amp; &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/74427827?pr=true" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;203&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
James R. Lewis, _&lt;a href="https://sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Gods-Have-Landed2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Gods Have Landed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Anne Rice, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview_with_the_Vampire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Interview with the Vampire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;br&gt;
Honoré de Balzac, &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9raph%C3%AEta" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;"Séraphîta"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;L. Ron Hubbard&lt;/a&gt;, founder of Scientology&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Special Guest: Victoria Nelson.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>Victoria Nelson saw it first: Popular culture teems with occult ideas, vestiges of bygone belief, fragments of ancient magic disguised as common entertainment. Her 2001 work <em>The Secret Life of Puppets</em> is in many ways the ur-text of weird studies, so prescient and probing it is even more relevant now than it was when it first appeared. In episode <a href="https://www.weirdstudies.com/128" rel="nofollow">128</a>, Phil and JF discussed Nelson&#39;s wonderful first novel <em>Neighbor George</em> (2021). In this episode, Nelson joins the hosts of Weird Studies to talk about the vision that drove her to write <em>Secret Life</em> along with its equally insightful follow-up, <em>Gothicka</em>.</p>

<p>Listen to <a href="https://pierre-yvesmartel.bandcamp.com/album/weird-studies-music-from-the-podcast-vol-1" rel="nofollow">volume 1</a> and <a href="https://pierre-yvesmartel.bandcamp.com/album/weird-studies-music-from-the-podcast-vol-2" rel="nofollow">volume 2</a> of the Weird Studies soundtrack by <a href="https://www.pymartel.com" rel="nofollow">Pierre-Yves Martel</a><br>
Support us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/weirdstudies" rel="nofollow">Patreon</a> <br>
Find us on <a href="https://discord.com/invite/Jw22CHfGwp" rel="nofollow">Discord</a><br>
Get the new T-shirt design from <a href="https://cottonbureau.com/products/can-o-content#/13435958/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s" rel="nofollow">Cotton Bureau</a>!<br>
Get your Weird Studies <a href="https://www.redbubble.com/people/Weird-Studies/shop?asc=u" rel="nofollow">merchandise</a> (t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.) <br>
Visit the Weird Studies <a href="https://bookshop.org/shop/weirdstudies" rel="nofollow">Bookshop</a></p>

<p><strong>SHOW NOTES</strong></p>

<p>Victoria Nelson, <em>The Secret Life of Puppets</em>, <em>Gothicka</em>, <em>Neighbor George</em></p>

<p>M. R. James, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Collected_Ghost_Stories_of_M._R._James" rel="nofollow">Collected Ghost Stories</a></em><br>
Tzvetan Todorov, <em><a href="https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9780801491467/the-fantastic/#bookTabs=1" rel="nofollow">The Fantastic: A Structural Approach to a Literary Genre</a></em><br>
Sigmund Freud, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_and_Its_Discontents" rel="nofollow">Civilization and its Discontents</a></em><br>
Carol Clover, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Men-Women-Chainsaws-Gender-Modern/dp/0851704190" rel="nofollow">Men, Women, and Chainsaws: Gender in the Modern Horror Film</a></em> <br>
Bruno Schulz, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_of_Crocodiles" rel="nofollow">The Street of Crocodiles</a></em><br>
Stephenie Meyer, <em><a href="https://stepheniemeyer.com/the-twilight-saga/" rel="nofollow">Twilight</a></em> series<br>
William P. Young, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shack-Where-Tragedy-Confronts-Eternity/dp/0964729237" rel="nofollow">The Shack: Where Tragedy Confronts Eternity</a> _<br>
<a href="https://connerhabib.com/against-everyone/" rel="nofollow">Against Everyone with Conner Habib</a>, episodes <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/74118938?pr=true" rel="nofollow">202</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/74427827?pr=true" rel="nofollow">203</a><br>
James R. Lewis, _<a href="https://sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Gods-Have-Landed2" rel="nofollow">The Gods Have Landed</a></em><br>
Anne Rice, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview_with_the_Vampire" rel="nofollow">Interview with the Vampire</a></em> <br>
Honoré de Balzac, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9raph%C3%AEta" rel="nofollow">&quot;Séraphîta&quot;</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard" rel="nofollow">L. Ron Hubbard</a>, founder of Scientology</p><p>Special Guest: Victoria Nelson.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Victoria Nelson saw it first: Popular culture teems with occult ideas, vestiges of bygone belief, fragments of ancient magic disguised as common entertainment. Her 2001 work <em>The Secret Life of Puppets</em> is in many ways the ur-text of weird studies, so prescient and probing it is even more relevant now than it was when it first appeared. In episode <a href="https://www.weirdstudies.com/128" rel="nofollow">128</a>, Phil and JF discussed Nelson&#39;s wonderful first novel <em>Neighbor George</em> (2021). In this episode, Nelson joins the hosts of Weird Studies to talk about the vision that drove her to write <em>Secret Life</em> along with its equally insightful follow-up, <em>Gothicka</em>.</p>

<p>Listen to <a href="https://pierre-yvesmartel.bandcamp.com/album/weird-studies-music-from-the-podcast-vol-1" rel="nofollow">volume 1</a> and <a href="https://pierre-yvesmartel.bandcamp.com/album/weird-studies-music-from-the-podcast-vol-2" rel="nofollow">volume 2</a> of the Weird Studies soundtrack by <a href="https://www.pymartel.com" rel="nofollow">Pierre-Yves Martel</a><br>
Support us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/weirdstudies" rel="nofollow">Patreon</a> <br>
Find us on <a href="https://discord.com/invite/Jw22CHfGwp" rel="nofollow">Discord</a><br>
Get the new T-shirt design from <a href="https://cottonbureau.com/products/can-o-content#/13435958/tee-men-standard-tee-vintage-black-tri-blend-s" rel="nofollow">Cotton Bureau</a>!<br>
Get your Weird Studies <a href="https://www.redbubble.com/people/Weird-Studies/shop?asc=u" rel="nofollow">merchandise</a> (t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.) <br>
Visit the Weird Studies <a href="https://bookshop.org/shop/weirdstudies" rel="nofollow">Bookshop</a></p>

<p><strong>SHOW NOTES</strong></p>

<p>Victoria Nelson, <em>The Secret Life of Puppets</em>, <em>Gothicka</em>, <em>Neighbor George</em></p>

<p>M. R. James, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Collected_Ghost_Stories_of_M._R._James" rel="nofollow">Collected Ghost Stories</a></em><br>
Tzvetan Todorov, <em><a href="https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9780801491467/the-fantastic/#bookTabs=1" rel="nofollow">The Fantastic: A Structural Approach to a Literary Genre</a></em><br>
Sigmund Freud, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_and_Its_Discontents" rel="nofollow">Civilization and its Discontents</a></em><br>
Carol Clover, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Men-Women-Chainsaws-Gender-Modern/dp/0851704190" rel="nofollow">Men, Women, and Chainsaws: Gender in the Modern Horror Film</a></em> <br>
Bruno Schulz, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_of_Crocodiles" rel="nofollow">The Street of Crocodiles</a></em><br>
Stephenie Meyer, <em><a href="https://stepheniemeyer.com/the-twilight-saga/" rel="nofollow">Twilight</a></em> series<br>
William P. Young, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shack-Where-Tragedy-Confronts-Eternity/dp/0964729237" rel="nofollow">The Shack: Where Tragedy Confronts Eternity</a> _<br>
<a href="https://connerhabib.com/against-everyone/" rel="nofollow">Against Everyone with Conner Habib</a>, episodes <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/74118938?pr=true" rel="nofollow">202</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/74427827?pr=true" rel="nofollow">203</a><br>
James R. Lewis, _<a href="https://sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Gods-Have-Landed2" rel="nofollow">The Gods Have Landed</a></em><br>
Anne Rice, <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview_with_the_Vampire" rel="nofollow">Interview with the Vampire</a></em> <br>
Honoré de Balzac, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9raph%C3%AEta" rel="nofollow">&quot;Séraphîta&quot;</a><br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard" rel="nofollow">L. Ron Hubbard</a>, founder of Scientology</p><p>Special Guest: Victoria Nelson.</p>]]>
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